I paid a lot of attention to the Wakefield scandal at the time so I’m pretty sure that Wakefield never said that MMR caused autism although everyone now attributes that sentiment to him.
yes, pariahs don't normally get to date Elle McPherson. If the establishment don't like you and they make a film about you, it comes through in the casting. David Irving realised that when he got Barry from Auf Weidersehen Pet whilst the less than appealing Deborah Lipstadt was brought to life by Rachel Weisz. So for Wakefield to get luvvie royalty like Bonneville and Stephenson does as you say tell its own story.
And to the contention 'it seems far fetched they would go to so much trouble', Well you look at what Wakefield's role was, it seems now that it was the absolutely crucial one of toxifying the debate about links between autism and vaccines. Cos he was shown to be a fraudster. If he hadn't have taken centre stage, maybe we would have had a much cooler headed debate, with people saying, 'but hang on, autism has gone up tenfold at the same time we've tripled all the vaccines'. and TPTB didn't want a mature debate, they wanted hysteria and then the leader denounced as a fraud. Bingo.
And to further back up your point Miri, I look at the role of Melanie Phillips. She has since Covid and October 7th been revealed as a stone faced propagandist, and with hindsight I find it very suspicious she was so vocal about MMR. On the one hand raising alarm through the DM every day about MMR, and then fifteen years later urging everyone to get zapped with the experimental vaccine. Doesn't add up.
Thanks Kevin, great comment. You are absolutely right about Melanie Phillips, and Peter Hitchens as well, who also writes for the Mail, and who also opposed the MMR but supported the Covid vaccine - he paid lip service to opposing the Covid restrictions, but was once of the first to get the jab ("to travel") and ensured his entire large readership knew he'd had it.
yes, with his much vaunted scepticism Hitchens is probably more responsible for people getting that vaccine than anyone. Both Hitchens have been up to their necks in every public debate for decades. It's a bloody clever strategy for an influencer, say what people want to hear, then bow publicly but reluctantly to the latest edict.
FFS..! He also didn't turn up to his most recent trial in the UK, even by video link, as he claimed to be "too ill". How can you be too ill to look at a camera? Yet shortly after he was pictured looking fit and healthy on a plane back home, and as many commented at the time, tanned...
That's interesting. I lived next door to Julian's father, John Shipton, for 13 years and he was a good friend of my household. I met Julian once briefly before Wikileaks when he came over to a party. Within about two minutes he informed me that he was the first person to be charged by the government for hacking.
In 2019, after John and I were no longer neighbours, a glamour photo of Chelsea Manning provoked the thoughts that she might be an agent and, if so, the film, Collateral Murder, would be a fake and on investigation I realised these two hypotheses were correct. I tried to tell John but he wouldn't listen. I also told others who were supporting Julian - but no one would listen.
A friend observed that Stella Moris (not Stella's original name and the reasons given for the name change are unconvincing) is only one letter different from Stella Maris, Star of the Sea, which she suggested might have occult associations - and yes it does ...
"In addition to wealth, La Sirène brings love, romance, and success, but she does possess the capacity for violence and is not a spirit to be trifled with. Like her namesakes, the Sirens, La Sirène has associations with death. She lures those who offend her (like those who fail to pay their debts to her!) and drags them to a watery death. Like Fairies, La Sirène has a bit of a reputation as a baby snatcher, taking them to live with her in her undersea palace—an ominous image as in Vodou cosmology the realm of death is beneath the sea. La Sirène may rule a children’s realm of death."
Infiltrators often have relationships with their infiltrees.
My hypothesis is that Julian was "monitored" since he was a 19 yo hacker and "guided" into Wikileaks and then forced into compromise one way or another. Some say it all stems further back to his cult upbringing (which John wasn't involved with) - don't know about that. Unfortunately, I think Julian, as indicated by Andrew O'Hagan in his article in the London Review of Books, suffers from hubris which is a very easy quality to work with for intelligence agencies I think.
Yes, absolutely - conflating autism with savant powers, so parents could be convinced "it's not that bad, your autistic child might be a genius like Rain Man".
You are quite right, Randomfreehuman, and I love the Amish! I was quite starstruck when I encountered some in upstate New York, where they were eating takeaway pizza and smoking cigarettes outside a drugstore. So the reason the Amish are so robust and healthy isn't because they follow some perfect puritanical organic diet - on the contrary, they love their pizza, desserts, and have even been known to go to McDonald's! There's another reason for their excellent health and you have just identified what it is...
Yes, the MMR psy-op is likely a hybrid of the Red Herring that one might call The One And Only (False) Cause technique, wherein not only is one being led away from the real thing but is also being pushed into embracing a false one.
I first saw it in the fake War On Tobacco. Nicotine was the designated false cause. Read the black box warning on a cigarette pack to see how well it is cemented into place. Then, using the unfailing 180-degree-opposite-from-Authority veridical indicator, dive into research examining the possibility that "nicotine protects the human body from poison." Fascinating.
To continue: By analogy, MMR (or its toxic adjuvants) is likely a detonator, not the autism bomb. A bomb has many parts, but importantly, a detonator of itself is incapable of collapsing a building or creating a crater. Well, then, what is the bomb? In a phrase, Western Modernity. (Note the comment about the Amish below.) To wit, by applying the industrial model to areas of human life where it ought not to be -- education, medicine and food production, being the Big Three. Modern Life (a wholly owned subsidiary of The Oligarchy) has become toxic to humanity: pesticide load, GMOs, heavy metal load, air pollution, allopathic medicine, cognitive degradation, a poisoned food-chain -- a veritable, multi-generational carpet-bombing of the human microbiome and immune system, not to mention the mind and spirit .
But here we have to stop: How the MMR project will play out is anybody's guess, though events are moving apace. The flow chart of moves/counter-moves becomes enormous very quickly. All we can do is stay on our toes, recalling that all psy-ops are multifarious in their techniques and goals; they're onions, in more ways than one.
Thanks Paso, very good points. It could very well be that while other factors load the gun, the MMR pulls the trigger. Yet if studied in isolation away from any other factors, it wouldn't cause autism, so a study could seek to "prove" it isn't responsible.
Yes, Stephanie Seneff (Toxic Legacy) has done some research on the relationship between glyphosate and vaccines, one opens the door and the other marches right in.
Wakefield is deffo dodgy: but so is McCullough, Malone, Cole, Bigtree, Malhotra, Coulson and the Welcome Company et al. .. Nefarious creeps who want us herded back into the same pernicious political, propagandist/medical/Pharma and poisonous paradigm; to essentially keep us all nice and safe. Bless their cotton socks.!!
Ugh, your analysis makes a lot of sense (as always). I won't be at all surprised if we find out that you are right by September. And Tiger was a cutie. :)
No level of deception or long game would surprise me, however, I think it's important to recognise that in the infamous Lancet paper, Andrew Wakefield didn't make the claim that MMR caused autism.
"I was aware that Andrew Wakefield did not make the claims ascribed to him.
He was flayed alive, reputationally, all over the media for some time.
Even back then, I was left bemused by the relentless ferocity of the attacks.
I now have a horribly clear understanding of why the authorities did what they did.
They were shit scared that someone would make solid links to adverse reactions of ANY kind."
EDIT: As I say above, no level of deception ... so I guess it's possible that Wakefield's paper was deliberately written in such a way as to invite attack without actually stating that the MMR vaccine causes autism, we certainly cannot discount that possibility ... and I think Wakefield's life and connections since - as Miri points out - do make one wonder, however, regardless of whether deliberately written to invite attack or not, we must always get our facts as straight as possible and he does not make that claim in the paper ... but, in fact, what is stated in relation to autism seems exactly what should be stated assuming the research information is not fabricated ... which there again ...
If they reprieve the Barabbas of MMR by indicting and crucifying aluminum, there might well be hell to pay. Reckon we'd easily survive the switch from aluminum cookware to cast-iron, but they'd need to move the elite convos from Davos to Venice or some other port city where, rather than from private airplanes, attendees would debark from watercraft powered by galley slaves, but then maybe that's part of the multilevel confection they have in mind for themselves.
I used to have a tabby, Gatito, with the same colouring and markings but had a different look about him. Have you seen the Milo the Chonk channel? That tabby is hilariously evil. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R_PgpZDrXeg
In Dissolving Illusions https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895 the authors go into quite a bit of detail about the development of early "vaccines" using infected sick calves and horses taking pus and "serum" from them and "inoculating" humans with the latest potion . The whole process is akin to spells/witchcraft but we are taught the opposite - that Edward Jenner discovered something that "worked": it didn't and the patient later died but the myth is so strong and repeated so often that most people believe it. If we were to offer people today the "original" vaccine though made to the original recipe and tell them what's in it I think they would refuse, no matter how "safe and effective" the Victorians etc. said their latest (to them) up to date concoction was. A historical viewpoint is very useful.
As to the claim that smallpox was eradicated - even if it were true it still took over 200 years to be brought about so does that mean that 199 years of the wrong treatment was ok?
I paid a lot of attention to the Wakefield scandal at the time so I’m pretty sure that Wakefield never said that MMR caused autism although everyone now attributes that sentiment to him.
No he didn't.
https://anthonycolpo.substack.com/p/why-anyone-who-claims-andrew-wakefields
yes, pariahs don't normally get to date Elle McPherson. If the establishment don't like you and they make a film about you, it comes through in the casting. David Irving realised that when he got Barry from Auf Weidersehen Pet whilst the less than appealing Deborah Lipstadt was brought to life by Rachel Weisz. So for Wakefield to get luvvie royalty like Bonneville and Stephenson does as you say tell its own story.
And to the contention 'it seems far fetched they would go to so much trouble', Well you look at what Wakefield's role was, it seems now that it was the absolutely crucial one of toxifying the debate about links between autism and vaccines. Cos he was shown to be a fraudster. If he hadn't have taken centre stage, maybe we would have had a much cooler headed debate, with people saying, 'but hang on, autism has gone up tenfold at the same time we've tripled all the vaccines'. and TPTB didn't want a mature debate, they wanted hysteria and then the leader denounced as a fraud. Bingo.
And to further back up your point Miri, I look at the role of Melanie Phillips. She has since Covid and October 7th been revealed as a stone faced propagandist, and with hindsight I find it very suspicious she was so vocal about MMR. On the one hand raising alarm through the DM every day about MMR, and then fifteen years later urging everyone to get zapped with the experimental vaccine. Doesn't add up.
Thanks Kevin, great comment. You are absolutely right about Melanie Phillips, and Peter Hitchens as well, who also writes for the Mail, and who also opposed the MMR but supported the Covid vaccine - he paid lip service to opposing the Covid restrictions, but was once of the first to get the jab ("to travel") and ensured his entire large readership knew he'd had it.
yes, with his much vaunted scepticism Hitchens is probably more responsible for people getting that vaccine than anyone. Both Hitchens have been up to their necks in every public debate for decades. It's a bloody clever strategy for an influencer, say what people want to hear, then bow publicly but reluctantly to the latest edict.
Possibly in a similar vein, I remember thinking it weird when Pamela Sue Anderson paid friendly visits to Julian Assange.
Very - !
Same as Lady Gaga appearing in Laura Poitras’ film Risk visiting Julian Assange in the embassy. (And I got to Risk via her Snowden film….!)
FFS..! He also didn't turn up to his most recent trial in the UK, even by video link, as he claimed to be "too ill". How can you be too ill to look at a camera? Yet shortly after he was pictured looking fit and healthy on a plane back home, and as many commented at the time, tanned...
That's interesting. I lived next door to Julian's father, John Shipton, for 13 years and he was a good friend of my household. I met Julian once briefly before Wikileaks when he came over to a party. Within about two minutes he informed me that he was the first person to be charged by the government for hacking.
In 2019, after John and I were no longer neighbours, a glamour photo of Chelsea Manning provoked the thoughts that she might be an agent and, if so, the film, Collateral Murder, would be a fake and on investigation I realised these two hypotheses were correct. I tried to tell John but he wouldn't listen. I also told others who were supporting Julian - but no one would listen.
https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/chelsea-manning-agent-collateral
A friend observed that Stella Moris (not Stella's original name and the reasons given for the name change are unconvincing) is only one letter different from Stella Maris, Star of the Sea, which she suggested might have occult associations - and yes it does ...
https://occult-world.com/stella-maris/
https://occult-world.com/sirene-la/
"In addition to wealth, La Sirène brings love, romance, and success, but she does possess the capacity for violence and is not a spirit to be trifled with. Like her namesakes, the Sirens, La Sirène has associations with death. She lures those who offend her (like those who fail to pay their debts to her!) and drags them to a watery death. Like Fairies, La Sirène has a bit of a reputation as a baby snatcher, taking them to live with her in her undersea palace—an ominous image as in Vodou cosmology the realm of death is beneath the sea. La Sirène may rule a children’s realm of death."
Infiltrators often have relationships with their infiltrees.
https://policespiesoutoflives.org.uk/our-stories/helens-story-2/
My hypothesis is that Julian was "monitored" since he was a 19 yo hacker and "guided" into Wikileaks and then forced into compromise one way or another. Some say it all stems further back to his cult upbringing (which John wasn't involved with) - don't know about that. Unfortunately, I think Julian, as indicated by Andrew O'Hagan in his article in the London Review of Books, suffers from hubris which is a very easy quality to work with for intelligence agencies I think.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v36/n05/andrew-o-hagan/ghosting
That's very interesting, thanks Petra!
Wow!
In addition to releasing MMR in 1988, they also released the blockbuster Rain Main, introducing the world to autism. Probably just a coincidence tho.
Yes, absolutely - conflating autism with savant powers, so parents could be convinced "it's not that bad, your autistic child might be a genius like Rain Man".
Whether or not MMR/Autism is a red herring, a couple of things that seem to be true
1. The Amish are almost entirely unjabbed
2. There is almost no Autism in the Amish community
Although I realise that’s a case of Grandma and sucking eggs where you are concerned Miri:)
You are quite right, Randomfreehuman, and I love the Amish! I was quite starstruck when I encountered some in upstate New York, where they were eating takeaway pizza and smoking cigarettes outside a drugstore. So the reason the Amish are so robust and healthy isn't because they follow some perfect puritanical organic diet - on the contrary, they love their pizza, desserts, and have even been known to go to McDonald's! There's another reason for their excellent health and you have just identified what it is...
Who’da thunk?
Yes, the MMR psy-op is likely a hybrid of the Red Herring that one might call The One And Only (False) Cause technique, wherein not only is one being led away from the real thing but is also being pushed into embracing a false one.
I first saw it in the fake War On Tobacco. Nicotine was the designated false cause. Read the black box warning on a cigarette pack to see how well it is cemented into place. Then, using the unfailing 180-degree-opposite-from-Authority veridical indicator, dive into research examining the possibility that "nicotine protects the human body from poison." Fascinating.
To continue: By analogy, MMR (or its toxic adjuvants) is likely a detonator, not the autism bomb. A bomb has many parts, but importantly, a detonator of itself is incapable of collapsing a building or creating a crater. Well, then, what is the bomb? In a phrase, Western Modernity. (Note the comment about the Amish below.) To wit, by applying the industrial model to areas of human life where it ought not to be -- education, medicine and food production, being the Big Three. Modern Life (a wholly owned subsidiary of The Oligarchy) has become toxic to humanity: pesticide load, GMOs, heavy metal load, air pollution, allopathic medicine, cognitive degradation, a poisoned food-chain -- a veritable, multi-generational carpet-bombing of the human microbiome and immune system, not to mention the mind and spirit .
But here we have to stop: How the MMR project will play out is anybody's guess, though events are moving apace. The flow chart of moves/counter-moves becomes enormous very quickly. All we can do is stay on our toes, recalling that all psy-ops are multifarious in their techniques and goals; they're onions, in more ways than one.
Thanks Paso, very good points. It could very well be that while other factors load the gun, the MMR pulls the trigger. Yet if studied in isolation away from any other factors, it wouldn't cause autism, so a study could seek to "prove" it isn't responsible.
Yes, Stephanie Seneff (Toxic Legacy) has done some research on the relationship between glyphosate and vaccines, one opens the door and the other marches right in.
Very well said
https://tinyurl.com/bddxcy4u
Wakefield is deffo dodgy: but so is McCullough, Malone, Cole, Bigtree, Malhotra, Coulson and the Welcome Company et al. .. Nefarious creeps who want us herded back into the same pernicious political, propagandist/medical/Pharma and poisonous paradigm; to essentially keep us all nice and safe. Bless their cotton socks.!!
https://tinyurl.com/4eddxpym
A great expose of Bigtree and his gang of helpers. A Relative deep dive. Fascinating.
Skim through parts one and two [if interested] and follow the machinations, and, of course,
the money..!!
Ugh, your analysis makes a lot of sense (as always). I won't be at all surprised if we find out that you are right by September. And Tiger was a cutie. :)
Thank you, Steph, and he certainly was! <3
No level of deception or long game would surprise me, however, I think it's important to recognise that in the infamous Lancet paper, Andrew Wakefield didn't make the claim that MMR caused autism.
https://anthonycolpo.substack.com/p/why-anyone-who-claims-andrew-wakefields
In the comments on this article Michael Yeadon says:
https://anthonycolpo.substack.com/p/why-anyone-who-claims-andrew-wakefields/comment/102459030
"I was aware that Andrew Wakefield did not make the claims ascribed to him.
He was flayed alive, reputationally, all over the media for some time.
Even back then, I was left bemused by the relentless ferocity of the attacks.
I now have a horribly clear understanding of why the authorities did what they did.
They were shit scared that someone would make solid links to adverse reactions of ANY kind."
EDIT: As I say above, no level of deception ... so I guess it's possible that Wakefield's paper was deliberately written in such a way as to invite attack without actually stating that the MMR vaccine causes autism, we certainly cannot discount that possibility ... and I think Wakefield's life and connections since - as Miri points out - do make one wonder, however, regardless of whether deliberately written to invite attack or not, we must always get our facts as straight as possible and he does not make that claim in the paper ... but, in fact, what is stated in relation to autism seems exactly what should be stated assuming the research information is not fabricated ... which there again ...
If they reprieve the Barabbas of MMR by indicting and crucifying aluminum, there might well be hell to pay. Reckon we'd easily survive the switch from aluminum cookware to cast-iron, but they'd need to move the elite convos from Davos to Venice or some other port city where, rather than from private airplanes, attendees would debark from watercraft powered by galley slaves, but then maybe that's part of the multilevel confection they have in mind for themselves.
Re Al & JP... https://secularheretic.substack.com/p/ancient-civilizations-bees-pollen?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=226642&post_id=161194582&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=2cdjh&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
I used to have a tabby, Gatito, with the same colouring and markings but had a different look about him. Have you seen the Milo the Chonk channel? That tabby is hilariously evil. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R_PgpZDrXeg
In Dissolving Illusions https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895 the authors go into quite a bit of detail about the development of early "vaccines" using infected sick calves and horses taking pus and "serum" from them and "inoculating" humans with the latest potion . The whole process is akin to spells/witchcraft but we are taught the opposite - that Edward Jenner discovered something that "worked": it didn't and the patient later died but the myth is so strong and repeated so often that most people believe it. If we were to offer people today the "original" vaccine though made to the original recipe and tell them what's in it I think they would refuse, no matter how "safe and effective" the Victorians etc. said their latest (to them) up to date concoction was. A historical viewpoint is very useful.
As to the claim that smallpox was eradicated - even if it were true it still took over 200 years to be brought about so does that mean that 199 years of the wrong treatment was ok?
That is a very interesting thought
The MMR may very well be contributing to the rapid rise antisemitism, though.