Another beautifully written debate - the price of life.
In some cultures life is entirely disposable by virtue of sect, class, religion observed and so on.
The West has become simultaneously deluded and cheapened life.
Reducing women to mere plumbing while not recognising the existence of a woman, for example (just ask any MP).
As a father of two beautiful daughters I know they are the most important people to result from my family.
To have individuals commoditise child birth is deeply, deeply amoral. I have no idea what these people are looking for, or what they achieve by simply buying a baby and then farming out the whole raising process to others.
Surrogacy is a form of slavery - it takes advantage of the situation where more often than not, the cash on offer means far more to the receiver then the giver. Will right-on libtards tear down images and statues of celebs who've done this? No. Will the same libtards demand endless reparations on behalf of many victims? No.
I forced myself to read The Handmaid’s Tale some years ago. It is disgusting. The possibility that my unjabbed daughters could, in a dystopian future, become subject to such behaviour send shudders up and down and up and down and up my spine.
You are correct that it is slavery. And like most, a particularly disgusting and people destroying form.
And the normalisation of it by the celebrity worshiping culture & OK! and People-like magazines is like the Cosmopolitan made up articles about affairs with bosses. Or it could be also because the pretty celebrity women, are men…
Thank you, Hugh, and absolutely. "They" knew what they were doing when ordering all humans to remain six feet apart - and I understand they did also inflict this on new mothers and babies in hospitals.
Perceptive and exposes a dystopian agenda which is diabolical, devilish/satanic. The more damage is inflicted on the Imago Dei and God's ordained society, the nearer to chaos we become.
Absolutely, John. Almost unfathomably, some of these surrogacy arrangements produce children to whom the "parents" have no genetic relationship, as they "adopt" embryos left over from other couples' IVF procedures. So the babies born into these chaotic messes have: two genetic parents, a "gestational carrier", and then up to three legal "parents", who may all be men. It's hideous.
I'm sure you recognise the spiritual nature of what is happening in the world. It's not just the UK. As a Christian it is the 'end times', not fully understood by me, but becoming clearer. Events are moving quickly.
Excellent post Miri. As an aside, I have succumbed to watching movies (hardly any at all) with closed captioning because the old ears just can't hear the whispering that goes on in these movies.
Thank you Miri, it is a subject I've been thinking about a lot lately.
I remember 23 years ago( when I was pregnant with my eldest son) my sister telling me that she was talking with another pregnant woman at the school gates. My sister asking her when she was due,as I was expecting in March. The woman was having a baby for her sister and that's the only time I've heard of surrogacy in " normal " working class circles and seemingly very altruistic and not for financial reasons.
Hopefully it all worked out. Side note, my sister was waiting for her son at the school gates to finish school, it wasn't just something she did!
That child would be the same age as my son and I hope everything did go well and he/ she was brought up in a loving family home.
Whenever I hear or read of celebrities using surrogacy it just makes me angry as like you point out in your excellent post it's so far removed from the ordinary sisters I heard about.
History has told us about the horrors inflicted on women under the subjection of the Catholic church where unmarried mothers gave( were forced) their babies away for adoption. Often money was involved.
I see surrogacy as the modern equivalent of the Magdalene houses.
Thank you for posting the campaign link against surrogacy.
Thank you, Emma, very interesting insights. I think it's possible that in that kind of close family situation where the baby is still able to have regular contact with the birth mother, things might work out ok - a bit like when families would try to disguise a teenage pregnancy by claiming the baby was a "late baby" of the teenager's mother. The baby would be brought up as if it were the child of its grandmother, but still able to have regular contact with the "sister" who is actually the mother. One or two cases of this in my own family as I know there are in many!
Powerful piece. And I come at it from the opposite angle of having been surrogate 'parent' to hundreds of orphaned animals over the years. I try my best, but there's no doubt in my mind that my surrogate relationship doesn't come close to what their real mothers could have offered them.
I never wanted, and worked hard to prevent, every single one of these motherless babes.; that some say are among our closest relatives.
If I desperately wanted them or believed my beer boobs could produce man-milk to feed any of them... I'm certain my success rate of returning some to the wild, to fend for themselves, would not have improved.
Thanks Leo, and very true observations - although really what you provide for animals is kind of the opposite of surrogacy, in that, these baby animals have been separated from their mothers and so you are trying your best to provide a substitute and ideally prevent the separation in the first place.
But surrogacy produces this situation - newborns ripped from their mothers - on purpose. Human adults order the creation of these babies with the specific aim of inflicting this hideous ordeal on them.
Interesting article whose topic is related to the film Never Let me Go. A haunting movie where people are raised specifically to service the needs of others. I don't want to reveal the plot of this excellent film based on a novel.
Another beautifully written debate - the price of life.
In some cultures life is entirely disposable by virtue of sect, class, religion observed and so on.
The West has become simultaneously deluded and cheapened life.
Reducing women to mere plumbing while not recognising the existence of a woman, for example (just ask any MP).
As a father of two beautiful daughters I know they are the most important people to result from my family.
To have individuals commoditise child birth is deeply, deeply amoral. I have no idea what these people are looking for, or what they achieve by simply buying a baby and then farming out the whole raising process to others.
Surrogacy is a form of slavery - it takes advantage of the situation where more often than not, the cash on offer means far more to the receiver then the giver. Will right-on libtards tear down images and statues of celebs who've done this? No. Will the same libtards demand endless reparations on behalf of many victims? No.
There is no place for surrogacy.
Thank you, Andrew, excellent comment with which I wholeheartedly agree.
I forced myself to read The Handmaid’s Tale some years ago. It is disgusting. The possibility that my unjabbed daughters could, in a dystopian future, become subject to such behaviour send shudders up and down and up and down and up my spine.
You are correct that it is slavery. And like most, a particularly disgusting and people destroying form.
And the normalisation of it by the celebrity worshiping culture & OK! and People-like magazines is like the Cosmopolitan made up articles about affairs with bosses. Or it could be also because the pretty celebrity women, are men…
Thanks Johan, and agreed on all counts, especially your concluding remark...
That's powerful and disturbing. Spot on re the effect on a newborn of separation from the mother's energy field and heartbeat.
Thank you, Hugh, and absolutely. "They" knew what they were doing when ordering all humans to remain six feet apart - and I understand they did also inflict this on new mothers and babies in hospitals.
Perceptive and exposes a dystopian agenda which is diabolical, devilish/satanic. The more damage is inflicted on the Imago Dei and God's ordained society, the nearer to chaos we become.
Absolutely, John. Almost unfathomably, some of these surrogacy arrangements produce children to whom the "parents" have no genetic relationship, as they "adopt" embryos left over from other couples' IVF procedures. So the babies born into these chaotic messes have: two genetic parents, a "gestational carrier", and then up to three legal "parents", who may all be men. It's hideous.
I'm sure you recognise the spiritual nature of what is happening in the world. It's not just the UK. As a Christian it is the 'end times', not fully understood by me, but becoming clearer. Events are moving quickly.
Excellent post Miri. As an aside, I have succumbed to watching movies (hardly any at all) with closed captioning because the old ears just can't hear the whispering that goes on in these movies.
Thank you Farleyboy, and yes quite - it's also useful when people have strong regional accents!
Thank you Miri, it is a subject I've been thinking about a lot lately.
I remember 23 years ago( when I was pregnant with my eldest son) my sister telling me that she was talking with another pregnant woman at the school gates. My sister asking her when she was due,as I was expecting in March. The woman was having a baby for her sister and that's the only time I've heard of surrogacy in " normal " working class circles and seemingly very altruistic and not for financial reasons.
Hopefully it all worked out. Side note, my sister was waiting for her son at the school gates to finish school, it wasn't just something she did!
That child would be the same age as my son and I hope everything did go well and he/ she was brought up in a loving family home.
Whenever I hear or read of celebrities using surrogacy it just makes me angry as like you point out in your excellent post it's so far removed from the ordinary sisters I heard about.
History has told us about the horrors inflicted on women under the subjection of the Catholic church where unmarried mothers gave( were forced) their babies away for adoption. Often money was involved.
I see surrogacy as the modern equivalent of the Magdalene houses.
Thank you for posting the campaign link against surrogacy.
Thank you, Emma, very interesting insights. I think it's possible that in that kind of close family situation where the baby is still able to have regular contact with the birth mother, things might work out ok - a bit like when families would try to disguise a teenage pregnancy by claiming the baby was a "late baby" of the teenager's mother. The baby would be brought up as if it were the child of its grandmother, but still able to have regular contact with the "sister" who is actually the mother. One or two cases of this in my own family as I know there are in many!
Powerful piece. And I come at it from the opposite angle of having been surrogate 'parent' to hundreds of orphaned animals over the years. I try my best, but there's no doubt in my mind that my surrogate relationship doesn't come close to what their real mothers could have offered them.
I never wanted, and worked hard to prevent, every single one of these motherless babes.; that some say are among our closest relatives.
If I desperately wanted them or believed my beer boobs could produce man-milk to feed any of them... I'm certain my success rate of returning some to the wild, to fend for themselves, would not have improved.
Thanks Leo, and very true observations - although really what you provide for animals is kind of the opposite of surrogacy, in that, these baby animals have been separated from their mothers and so you are trying your best to provide a substitute and ideally prevent the separation in the first place.
But surrogacy produces this situation - newborns ripped from their mothers - on purpose. Human adults order the creation of these babies with the specific aim of inflicting this hideous ordeal on them.
Good thoughtful well-written article.
Thank you.
Thank you, Elena.
How about the Steve Martin version?
Haha, I actually like that one!
Interesting article whose topic is related to the film Never Let me Go. A haunting movie where people are raised specifically to service the needs of others. I don't want to reveal the plot of this excellent film based on a novel.
This makes one writhe with impotence. Just give me a Kalashnikov and let me loose. This goes on and I should worry about wars?
“…sink all hearses to one common pool…”