It's not often that Nigel Farage would be dubbed more left-wing than Keir Starmer - or Kid Starver, as the UK's new PM has recently been re-christened by Corbynite party rebels - but on one particular issue, apparently he is:
For once I don’t completely agree with Miri - I definitely disagree that it’s generally only the wealthy who have lots of children. In my experience of life so far (75 years of it, to be exact), it seems to me that many poor, less well educated families tend to have lots of children, as well as Christians, Roman Catholics, travellers, Muslims and so on - quite a list in fact. So I’m not sure….
As to Starmer being out and Farage in at the next election, I’m not sure. It could be possible but I’d visualised being stuck with Labour and KS for a bit longer. Time will tell.
Thanks Priscilla, I think you've slightly misinterpreted the central crux of my argument... Whilst of course it's true that historically, all sorts of people have had big families, I am looking at the situation in the context that a massive infertility holocaust has just been induced, first through the HPV vaccine (and other environmental poisons), and now through the Covid vaccine.
So we are looking at a future where large swathes of child-bearing-age adults won't be able to have large families - or any families - even if they want to.
We don't yet know the true toll of either the HPV or Covid vaccine as many recipients are still too young to be thinking about children, but within the next one to two decades (when Vance / Farage could rise to power), we will see it.
It is within that context - where a disproportionately large number of ordinary people have been sterilised - that I am sounding the alarm about the danger of suddenly incentivising, and giving extra political power and privileges, to people with large families.
As I said in the article, it's not a coincidence that only AFTER giving out millions of doses of a sterilant injection to most of the world, that the establishment suddenly starts incentivising large families.
I get all that but I think a lot of ordinary people (especially perhaps travellers and Christians) haven’t had the jabs. (Many Christians and RCs have refused the Covid jabs because of the use of foetuses in their production.) I know of at least two Christian families with six and seven children and none of them have had the jabs. I’d also say that the wealthy people we know have had only one or two children and have all had the jabs!!
Indeed, but sadly it is still a small minority. The majority of people have been vaccinated, and all evidence shows we are in an infertility crisis which is likely to greatly intensity in the next two decades, with sperm counts predicted to be close to zero by 2045 https://news.sky.com/story/spermageddon-could-men-be-infertile-by-2045-12267743
Whilst there will always, thankfully, be outliers like the Amish who resist injections and have large families, I am looking at overall social trends which - sadly - suggest fertility is going to, in most cases, become the preserve of the wealthy elite in the near future. And it is within that context that I am issuing a warning.
Well, this is lovely. A fine article about a serious subject.
The State support of families is a way to ensure steady population growth, and while it could be abused the overall effect will be positive.
However, I see no connection between encouraging larger families and giving said families greater overall power. Perhaps for specific items such as education, but not overall.
Those who don't have children are also a vital part of our society.
Well…..of course, EVERYONE should be vital - however we describe ‘society’. But it’s perfectly obvious that has never really been the way ‘they’ see it in the actual real world. And that seems to be certainly part of the real point Miri is making here. I think Miri has a valid ‘deeper’ take on this matter than you’re resonating with.
I beg to differ. Of course I see the self-serving Blob, but this group does not need law or policy to do anything it wants - including those who work in legal matters.
The wider point - penalising those who for one reason or another do not have a family. The question is - how to improve family life after decades of penalties?
"By scrapping the two-child benefit cap, establishment players can be seen to be promoting the idea of large families for everyone, rich or poor. Yet the reality is, inordinately large numbers of ordinary people are now either sub- or infertile, so will not be able to expand (or even start) their families, even if they want to."
The wealthy are paying lip service to make it appear as if they are in favour of large families for everyone, so when certain privileges are brought in for large families, they can say it's fair and democratic because they offered incentives to everyone to have them.
Just as an add on to what I’ve already said and observed re who has big families, yesterday I met a young (to me) woman (maybe late 30s, possibly very early 40s) serving in a village store, not at all well off, who is expecting her fifth boy!! She’s had other jabs but none of the Covid ones.
Another insightful article Miri. The clues are all there (intentionally) but thank you for decifering and summarising.
Thanks Miri , this is extremely thought provoking.
Gosh, I never thought about this. Thank you for spelling it out so clearly Miri!
Interesting.
For once I don’t completely agree with Miri - I definitely disagree that it’s generally only the wealthy who have lots of children. In my experience of life so far (75 years of it, to be exact), it seems to me that many poor, less well educated families tend to have lots of children, as well as Christians, Roman Catholics, travellers, Muslims and so on - quite a list in fact. So I’m not sure….
As to Starmer being out and Farage in at the next election, I’m not sure. It could be possible but I’d visualised being stuck with Labour and KS for a bit longer. Time will tell.
Thanks Priscilla, I think you've slightly misinterpreted the central crux of my argument... Whilst of course it's true that historically, all sorts of people have had big families, I am looking at the situation in the context that a massive infertility holocaust has just been induced, first through the HPV vaccine (and other environmental poisons), and now through the Covid vaccine.
So we are looking at a future where large swathes of child-bearing-age adults won't be able to have large families - or any families - even if they want to.
We don't yet know the true toll of either the HPV or Covid vaccine as many recipients are still too young to be thinking about children, but within the next one to two decades (when Vance / Farage could rise to power), we will see it.
It is within that context - where a disproportionately large number of ordinary people have been sterilised - that I am sounding the alarm about the danger of suddenly incentivising, and giving extra political power and privileges, to people with large families.
As I said in the article, it's not a coincidence that only AFTER giving out millions of doses of a sterilant injection to most of the world, that the establishment suddenly starts incentivising large families.
I get all that but I think a lot of ordinary people (especially perhaps travellers and Christians) haven’t had the jabs. (Many Christians and RCs have refused the Covid jabs because of the use of foetuses in their production.) I know of at least two Christian families with six and seven children and none of them have had the jabs. I’d also say that the wealthy people we know have had only one or two children and have all had the jabs!!
Indeed, but sadly it is still a small minority. The majority of people have been vaccinated, and all evidence shows we are in an infertility crisis which is likely to greatly intensity in the next two decades, with sperm counts predicted to be close to zero by 2045 https://news.sky.com/story/spermageddon-could-men-be-infertile-by-2045-12267743
Whilst there will always, thankfully, be outliers like the Amish who resist injections and have large families, I am looking at overall social trends which - sadly - suggest fertility is going to, in most cases, become the preserve of the wealthy elite in the near future. And it is within that context that I am issuing a warning.
You’re probably right, Miri
(I don't really "like" being right, but fear that I am)
BTW, I should have told you, Miri, that our two children have had three each!! Not a huge family but not bad. And none of us with jabs!
Well, this is lovely. A fine article about a serious subject.
The State support of families is a way to ensure steady population growth, and while it could be abused the overall effect will be positive.
However, I see no connection between encouraging larger families and giving said families greater overall power. Perhaps for specific items such as education, but not overall.
Those who don't have children are also a vital part of our society.
Well…..of course, EVERYONE should be vital - however we describe ‘society’. But it’s perfectly obvious that has never really been the way ‘they’ see it in the actual real world. And that seems to be certainly part of the real point Miri is making here. I think Miri has a valid ‘deeper’ take on this matter than you’re resonating with.
I beg to differ. Of course I see the self-serving Blob, but this group does not need law or policy to do anything it wants - including those who work in legal matters.
The wider point - penalising those who for one reason or another do not have a family. The question is - how to improve family life after decades of penalties?
I would just add that on the whole wealthy people don’t need or care about child benefit!
Indeed they do not. As I said in the article:
"By scrapping the two-child benefit cap, establishment players can be seen to be promoting the idea of large families for everyone, rich or poor. Yet the reality is, inordinately large numbers of ordinary people are now either sub- or infertile, so will not be able to expand (or even start) their families, even if they want to."
The wealthy are paying lip service to make it appear as if they are in favour of large families for everyone, so when certain privileges are brought in for large families, they can say it's fair and democratic because they offered incentives to everyone to have them.
Maybe this is so.
Just as an add on to what I’ve already said and observed re who has big families, yesterday I met a young (to me) woman (maybe late 30s, possibly very early 40s) serving in a village store, not at all well off, who is expecting her fifth boy!! She’s had other jabs but none of the Covid ones.